I paid approx 59.00 for a full size tub…it did not come with a scoop!!
Called their customer service line, they said “you could just use another scoop if you have one from another supplement”. I explained that would be careless and dangerous. About a week or so later they mailed me a scoop.
Conclusion: Assclowns do exist. Avoid them at all cost.
Posted it in the Trading Post but I’ll put it here too since this thread is WAY more active - Anyone have any interest in two tubs of OG Kraken? One has maybe 3-4 scoops missing, bombsicle flavor, the other is sour gummy bears and still sealed. DMHA (or maybe Eria? Some ingredient in there) just does NOT agree with me.
Thinking $25 shipped for the bombsicle, $30 shipped for the sealed gummy bear, 50 shipped for both.
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i assumed new means not used before, not just new releases.
neither is there any wall of text here, when i answer someones pm it is usually many times longer.
and to utilize substances ideally one has to understand why things make sense in what combinations.
see how a stimulant will feel with caffeine or with caffeine-pterostilbene and agmatine. completely different experience and it can easily be explained.
i asked about several substances but not many seem to have used them or use things long enough to see actual changes in metabolism. i would be interested in someone who used indigo3g for months or longer at a high dose and can compare it to other nutrient partitioners, including berberine and metformin.
also massmax interests me purely in terms of cns recovery. rhaponticum potentially allows for much higher work capacity. in order to experience this one would have to take it for many months and train at their absolute limit in order to see the results. i do not believe in structural muscle gain by ecdy, epicatechin etc., if they work then due to improved training progress.
Sorry about that! Will keep confined to Trading Post. 
okay cool.
i would like a threat were people post reviews about using certain compounds in the longer term, especially ones sometimes expensive and not switching from one new hyped supp to another every 4 weeks.
indigo3g, rhaponticum, possibly some products by life extension and such as ampk activator, arginocarn+ala and things like that. i can open one myself if you prefer?
Not that I actuly mind it, but the original intention of the thread was for people to talk about things they picked up, not as effectively a Stack3d.com repost/supplement news feed.
I’m fine with people using it for that, but I do want the original intention on the record.
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So why is agmapure so much better then? I find it unlikely that it’s so much better that all of a sudden it fixes opioid dependence
I have noticed literally zero difference between Agmapure and other quality agmatine from trusted/legit sources, nor should there be.
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Exactly, I think this guy has stock in whoever sells AgmaPure honestly. His obsession with it is weird
in terms of pump or do you know how nmda-receptor antagonism feels when using psychoactives? have you ever used opioids with and without agmapure?
First mistake was paying $60 my friend, one of the advantages of being on the forum are the deals everyone shares, so you no longer overpay. But you’re right, their response was very wreckless, as scoop sizes are not one size fit all.
In terms of multiple things, including pain and it’s effects taking it with kratom, which contains “atypical opioids.”
Please, tell me your proposed explanation for how and why Agmapure would be superior to a high quality, pure agmatine product.
The only argument I see is if your other agmatine is not actually agmatine, not all agmatine, has some additives or adulterants, is expired, etc. Agmapure is a good assurance of quality, but is by no means the only quality agmatine, just as Creapure isn’t the only good Creatine and Carnosyn isn’t the only good beta alanine.
Vaso-6 is too new for them to have declared not able to sell. It sounds like you’re reaching on that one.
Oh god, please not blood sweat and tears…the coconut is WAY too strong in that one
those were examples. nothing is allowed to be sold in germany unless it gets permission.
90% of well known ingredients in the us are not allowed to be soldin germany, hence why no german suppcompany can make anything useful.
Y’all had your fun making useful supplements during the cold war 
What about that “not for pussys” company? They seem to be using some ingredients that would fit this description
For a moment I thought you were referring to the nazi’s and Panzerschokolade.
Wrong war, though that does kind of work for the eastern front.
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well, some things i would want to be absolutely certain i am not getting something fake. pterostilbene i would not risk using anything but pteropure as it has health benefits which could be largely or completely lost. laxogenin is another where quality varies greatly. the one in lecheek secretabridge was far superior in terms of healing of injuries than the much higher dosed olympus stuff in massacr3 (interesting how olympus uses lots of patented stuff but when it makes a significant price difference they chose the cheaper and i have tried a few products that looked good on paper but did not do much). agmatine as well as pterostilbene i do not view as a supplement. i would not want to buy fake antibiotics or such either. my experience is that even reputable brands agmatine has never done much while agmapure and agmamax had significant potentiating effects on psychoactive substances and myodyne ergonox, which was agmapure and powergrape (at 3 caps 1.5g/600mg) provided more pump and vascularity than anything and almost too much when generic agmatine and grape seed often are barely noticeable. so especially since agmatines effects work strongly via neurochemical mechanisms even a small impurity or lower quality could ruin the effects as it is such a complex substance and the significant difference in consistency when comparing agmamax with other powdered agmatine (both white but agmamax looks to be of much cleaner quality, finer consistency etc.). agmapure according to some people was the only agmatine that worked as an antidepressant and anxiolytic for them outperforming ssri and benzos. i am not sure why it is green but it would surprise me if there were not some significant differences if it was tested against other non patented agmatine products. i do not want to name brands but one that is known for making good quality products has an agmatine powder that simply looks like it was made in a basement rather than a lab already and didn’t really do much. often patented ingredients are just a waste of money but depending on how important the effects are (if one just wants a pump it is different than someone who has gotten relief from neuropathic pain but only from one or two kinds of agmatine and not having access would be a big deal for someone like that).
Edit: should we move this conversation elsewhere?
There have been multiple human studies showing benefits (on depression, pain, etc) with agmatine that I have no reason to believe is Agmapure. Same for a TON of rodent studies. Granted, they know it’s pure, but my point is that Agmapure is NOT better than real/good agmatine, it IS good agmatine. If other agmatine isn’t as good, it’s brcuse it’s not pure agmatine.
Where have you tried other bulk agmatine from? Nothing I’ve had about bulk sources suggests that it was made in a basement, and I have extensive experience sourcing ingredients for personal use and for product formulation.
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