Should be pretty easy. I take the stuff straight without (too) much issue
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i plan on sending some your guys way soon! 
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That would take a lot more than $30 to make unless youre manufacturing 20000 at a time.
not sure if people are gonna drop $100 on a product of that matter. Why do you not have beta alanine with creatinol-o-phosphate?
they work synergistic with each other.
400mg caffeine sounds absurd. 250mg decreases celebral blood flow up to 27%.
200mg Ubiqiuinol in powder form, good luck with the stability.
not to mention the taste of this.
doesnāt seem like you paid attention to my reply at all though from before.
Iām baffled on why you would tell me to put agmatine in my product and then say itās better off alone as a daily product. I am very intrigued about agmatine however. Could def help the opioid crisis we are dealing with.
Is your āpre-workoutā a āhealth supplementā or is it a pre workout just loaded with caffeine and fancy words for things we already seen?
Not sure why you havenāt mentioned higenamine at all either.
Donāt get me wrong though, at least you know the ingredients that youre talking about.
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You seem to really know what youāre talking about, will be quite interesting to try the results, even if the profile doesnāt floor me at a glance.
What kind of price point are you looking at?
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Thank youā¦I appreciate the support : )
Do you mean by the formula or label?
Iām looking at ā54.99ā with free shipping
but the first 2500 customers for being supporters will get it for 49.99 and $10 off their next purchase. Most likely will do some other rewards too.
I donāt have much money to start off with so down the road given production amounts per order, Iāll be able to give better deals.
I know it is worth the extra $10 though given C4 and most of the other pre workouts of that nature are around 39.99 and cost probably $5 to makeā¦ If that. Plus donāt have nearly that amount of quality ingredients that I provide.
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Forgive him, he is new to the forum, and to quote someone else
I am leaning toward the later if you have allot of disposable income.
Also it actuly has 172 mg caffiene, purenergy is a mixure of that and pteropure, not straight caffeine.
As for my critique on it, I really hate seeing beta alanine dosed that high in any product, even more so with taurine(due to potential absorption issues), in my opinion beta alanine should be its own thing, or dosed at 1 gram just to sustain the built up carnosine stores without having to take away funding from other, better, ingredients.
I like the lower caffeine and the inclusion of alcar, this is a interestingly designed product, too expensive for my blood but thatās kind of unavoidable. Good luck with this.
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I will gladly be more than happy to try this out or eventually purchase. It has a very unique profile
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I plan on making a stim and nootropic free product for people on medication and things like epilepsy, food allergies etc.
i plan on dosing it 1.6g
This is in a general, honest way.
why do you prefer lower doses of beta alanine?
It seems that a lot of people in the forums like the lower dose, Cj also.
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Thank you so much for the support 
There are around 3 reasons
- You donāt need the full 3.2 grams all at once, the study used two doses of 1.6 grams, so leave the extra 1.6 to the post workout, or daily creatine.
- It is a saturation based ingredient and once you hit that all the extra beta alanine is doing is increasing the value of your urine
3 High doses cost more, which takes away funding from better ingredients, I could have 2 grams of beta alanine, or I could have an extra gram of something else - Less of the annoying tingles.
- Beta alanine to me seems very meh, it helps a little bit but its not something I would go out of my way for.
That would be awesome, considering majority of our country is medicated and have to find out the hard way what reacts badly with certain things
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First part is in response to Christian and second is going over the topic with Nappy
Awesome feedback.
I think itās one of those things where people just start throwing in a ton to market that they have more.
Legion Athletics has 4.8g in their preā¦lol?
Some people like, some people donāt like the tinglesā¦
being it is a stim pre I put it in there because for whatever god given reason the tingles are what people help correlate to it working. I also have creatinol-o-phosphate which given the mechanisms work synergistic together. I probably could of gone down with BA considering. Oh well.
However, 3.2g has shown to reach saturation faster than the 1.6g
by a few weeks which can both extend over months. Overall like you said it is expensive and I would rather put in a better dose of something else. Considering people are taking pre workouts as it is, they are most likely going to be saturated.
Another thing is once you are saturated the elevated carnosine in your body lasts for months. You donāt even need to take 1.6 EVERY day after that point.
as you reach saturation the tingles will typically go away or not be as strong. Personally I like the tingles but I will most lower the dose in my stim and nootropic free product.
Beta alanine is a very important product IMO though. This is because the elevated carnosine levels have so many health benefits that arenāt marketed so i feel people donāt realize. Itās a shame that beta alanine is marketed so heavily towards lean muscle mass. It is so much more.
Personally it helps with my fatigue and epilepsy. So for me it is a staple :). I do only use the 1.6g dose however as I feel I am in no rush and it getās the job done for me.
Thank you for your feedback it def opened up my mind!
For a little background, I am on medication for multiple thingsā¦
I have Celiac, microscopic colitis, myoclonic epilepsy, āanxietyā, lactose intolerance (who doesnāt)ā¦and have to follow a low fodmap diet. Artificial food coloring kills my stomach. For example, highly processed things such as Fruity pebbles flares me up and makes me depressed. Caffeine can exacerbate my epilepsy.
Before I get ridiculed that I donāt take my product lolā¦there is a larger audience in this product and I have tons of family and friends that have high tolerances to stims. Based on my knowledge I wanted to create something I know would work a hell of a lot better than C4 or things loaded with yohimbe like MR hyde. Their new nitro fx is terrible in my eyes. I would first need to build an audience up before I can release the rest of the line.
Given about 1 in 9 americans are on depression medication, I feel like those that are dealt the wrong card could benefit from a nootropic and stim free product as the chances of it messing with anything would be slimā¦allowing for a larger audience.
Would have to be careful with certain products such as vaso6 as well as it consists of grape seed extract and green tea extract which can possibly mess up medication absorption.
I do about 5-8 of research a day dependingā¦so a lot of thought would be going into everything. Feedback from people like the ones in the Priceplow forum absolutely help with the formulations and knowledge as well.
All in all, everything works different for everybody. The only way youāll know if something works is by trying it.
: )
-Robert
No problem at all! Sorry about my late response - I really never get to a computer on the weekend, nor am I on my phone as often. Just getting a chance to reply now.
Iāve been using agmatine on/off for the better part of about 6 months now. Hereās even a log I did on SNSās standalone agamatine product, Agmatine XT: SNS Agmatine XT - Pump lovers dream?
So far Iāve noticed that 1g, preworkout, is the minimum I like for a good pump. At 1.5g, the pump gets better, and at 2g is the max I like before it gets intolerable. Iāve used Olympus Labs RE1GN (1g agmatine included) + 1g standalone agmatine and the pump felt unrealā¦ But, RE1GN also has 5g L-Cit and 300mg Vaso6.
When combining 1g standalone agmatine + Performax Hypermax (6g L-Cit, 1g agmatine included), the pump felt just as good as the aforementioned RE1GN combo, which is why I think Iām a good responder to agmatine in general.
During the log, I was taking 500mg pre-bed too. Iām not sure if it had any real effect, but during that log I was also trying to put some size on. I managed to put on just about 8lbs lean (NO waist change) while staying in a caloric surplus. This could maybe be the Performax MassMax helping, the daily agmatine dosing, a combo of both, or just magical 8lbs lean lol.
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No worries brother!
I will check out the log right nowā¦
Very interesting! Iāll keep that in mind for the future! Down the road I may change the formula and add some agmatineā¦or even just recommend it to use with my formula.
Either way, 8lbs lean is no joke! Thank you so much for your feedback : )
-Robert
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Happy to help, Robert! I really, really like agmatine, and plan to experiment with it some more. If there was a stim bomb pre-workout totally without pump ingredients, the first thing Iād jump to would be 2g agmatine.
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agmapure has always worked far better than any other agmatine. and it is definitely different. afaik the stuff is green. does much more at a lower dose than any other agmatine.
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Ok, so I know you said you arenāt here for our acceptance, but after reading through your posts, I actually quite enjoy the information you provide. Some things I would have to research myself of course, but you definitely add a different type of persona to our glorious group of dysfunctional assholes (no offense everybody 
)
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Interestingā¦ VMI has a straight Agmapure product for fairly cheapā¦ Think iāll grab some.
Agmapure is fairly cheap now but if you find a bulk ag sulfate supplier that has a similar purification process to remove excess putrescine then youāre essentially getting the same.
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Iām an extremely functional asshole, thanks
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