Win Axe & Sledge's Hydraulic from Pumpmaster Seth Feroce!

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When you need to get a sick pump, who do you call? Whose YouTube videos do you watch? And whose supplements do you use? There is only one answer to those questions: SETH FEROCE! And in that case, we have good news for you: Seth’s brand, Axe & Sledge, is… …(Read more on the PricePlow Blog)

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I have to say this is a true ‘stim-free pre workout’. It seems as if the other ‘stim free’ pre-workouts are in essence pump products.

Which then begs the question. If you were to utilize this supplement and wanted some stim…what would you combine so as to not over-indulge in certain ingredients (like BA etc…)

And as always…asking for a friend.

Caffeine capsule.

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Ahhhh…why didn’t I think of that.

Probably cause you need more caffeine.

That’s a great point…used a low stim this morning…

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I also fail to see how this is not a Pump Product

all 3 key ingredients that are included to get a pump
and this is even labeled on his webpage as " PRE-PUMP"

and his own description:
HYDRAULIC is the first stimulant free pre-workout of its kind. A pre-workout formula free of any stimulants that you can actually FEEL! Get the blood coursing through your veins and a warm sensation driven to the body part you are working

HYDRAULIC is a revolutionary pump formula designed specifically by Seth Feroce.

Oh I do believe it is a Pump Product, don’t get me wrong. But it seems that most of the ‘stim free’ Pre’s only contain Pump Products whereas this product also contains:

  • Creatine
  • Beta Alanine
  • L-Tyrosine

And as I look through this Sparta Kraken contains all of the above + Theanine and Caffeine.

Interesting to note.

Beta Alanine

both super cheap ingredients to add in bulk. I mean you can get 1000g of creatine for like $10. This is why a lot of companies do not include them in their products.

if you wanted those ingredients ProSupps Dr. Jekyll’s new stim free has both & Tyrosine

Really wanna try this bad boy out. Love Seth, he lives around me too, friend saw him at a local farm shopping for groceries.

I just love the accent…(originally born in Pittsburgh here so yeah)

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I’m looking to go stim free for the next couple of weeks. I have taken vasoblitz and fuel pump before, but never tried dr.jekylls stim free. Looks like it has a good complex of focus ingredients, which always helps. May try this one out.


As I get older I have realized that the best Pre’s for me emphasize Focus and Pump with a little energy. Cracked out just does not work for me.

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New inositol stabilized arginine I see. nooLVL, not Nitrosigine

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Same for me. For effect alone, Hydraulic is my favorite preworkout. I would prefer it over any stimulant based pre, because I can always add an energy drink for some caffeine.

I know it’s expensive, but I got better and longer pumps from this, than VasoBlitz and Ghost Pump. My two cents.

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That looks like garbage


Thank you Matt.

DemoDay as well Intra?

Bill asked for a non stim that isn’t heavy in Pump ingredients and wants beta alanine Creatine and tyrosine

Therefore I posted something he may want .

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This is correct…

Just me thinking/typing out loud.


It’s good - but I prefer to eat carbs since I’m a foodie.

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