New supplement thread

Choline and huperzine are very individualistic. That’s true. That said, it’s actually 300mg A-GPC (since it’s 50%), which, with 100mcg huperzine, is a pretty conservative yet still research supported dose of each. YMMV though.

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Enhanced Athlete supps now available for purchase. Some pills, some powders, some standalone ingredients.

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I’m actually pretty impressed by some inclusions in the sleep product, but that’s about all that really stands out to me.

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I like the 3g of Glycine and that they added kava kava. The EAA is probably their most innovative product. Still not overly impressive.

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I like the glycine, ornithine, and GABA. Granted, they’re nothing too crazy, but they work and have research supporting their efficacy, which is always nice. Plus you won’t see the ornithine in caps, given the big 3g dose.

Edit: I’m not impressed by their dose of kava from the looks of it though. 100mg of just root powder? Studies I’ve seen on sleep quality used at least that much of a 70% standardized extract. I’m a little rusty on the natural kavalactone content of the root, but I don’t think its 70%.

Edit 2: apparently it’s 3-20%, depending on the age of the plant and the cultivator.

https://www.ema.europa.eu/en/documents/herbal-report/draft-assessment-report-piper-methysticum-g-forst-rhizoma_en.pdf

A little bit of kava kava is nice. A proper dose of kava kava can give brain fog for the entire next day. The GABA is pixie dusted.

I don’t like Kava in any supplements. It’s too questionable as a supplement to be placed along with other ingredients. If you want to run stand-alone with a certified extract like WS1490 and have done your research properly, I think that is okay given you take precautions.

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Toffee Peanut Butter Outright Bars
Coming Black Friday

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The GABA is not pixie dusted:

100mg:
https://iubmb.onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/abs/10.1002/biof.5520260305?sid=nlm%3Apubmed

https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s10068-016-0076-9

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/26052150/

150-300mg:

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6031986/

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1000% this. It’s an assurance of potency, both in terms of getting enough to work, and not getting too much that you’ll be intoxicated. Plus some things like ornithine and glycine are amazing to use daily for improving sleep quality, but I wouldn’t want to use kava every night for months on end personally if I didn’t have to.

Ghost Greens:
Flavors in the works —
Chocolate
Lime
Guava Berry
Natural

Ghost leaks Black Friday Apparel Drop

MAXX Pre Workout Strawberry Daiquiri Tomorrow and OG (Natural Flavored) also available

Did anyone try the Mango margarita? I’m more interested in that since I’m late to the Ghost party.

The first two studies are done with PharmaGABA which may show greater bioavailibility than synthetic normal GABA.
The third study is confounded.
The last study shows little difference between placebo.

Remember it will be naturally flavored, so it may not rank up there with some of the best from Ghost for flavoring. I love Ghost and their products, but I expect it to be around $50 like CG3 which is too costly for my liking.

Third study had a GABA only group actually.

Where? Can you quote it?

Kava used to be one of the most stolen supplements at the store I worked at. I personally liked the liquid ones we sold, but I agree with you here.

It’s from the full text of the study. This study did also use PharmaGABA.

Are you claiming that PharmaGABA is over 2x as potent on a mg basis than normal GABA? Because if not, if 100mg PharmaGABA is effective, and PharmaGABA isn’t at least twice as potent as non-PharmaGABA, then 200mg GABA is an effective dose. If you have the research showing that PharmaGABA is at least twice as potent as normal GABA, please point me towards it, as I’d genuinely love to see it. Thanks in advance.

I just can’t help but see some irony in you claiming that using 200mg of non-pharmaGABA is “pixie dusting,” yet defending using a dose of kava that is probably between 1/28 and 1/4 of the lowest research-supported dose (120mg of 70% kavalactones vs 100mg of what is probably 3-20% kavalactones).

There’s also this:

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4594160/

Edit: following the link to the Pharma-GABA page, using the Wayback Machine, they say:

Which seems to support the claim of improved safety and purity, not absolute potency relative to equal doses of actual synthetic GABA.

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Damn man (I presume?) you actually killed it with those studies.

Edit: duplicate post