Endurance and Focus with Muscle Elements PreCre

Endurance and Focus with Muscle Elements PreCre
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#1

First off, big shout out to @Double-s for the opportunity to try PreCre! I’ve been a fan of the Muscle Elements line for a while but hadn’t had a chance to try this yet. No pic because I’m at work

PreCre has a really interesting profile, it’s clearly geared more towards focus and endurance than pump or energy, with lower doses of caffeine and solid doses of DMAE, Betaine and Creatine.

UPS showed up right before I did my pre-workout stretches yesterday, so I tossed this in the generously-included shaker cup and drank it while I rolled my stiff, shitty legs out. Fruit Punch was tangy and light, with a very mild “chemical” taste at the end, likely from the DMAE and phosphates in the “Mind-Muscle Activator Elements” matrix. Those are tough to mask and ME did about as good of a job as could be expected, they always nail it with flavoring, even when using compounds that don’t taste great on their own.

I’m coming off two weeks off from the gym being sick, and on my days off I tend not to eat on as rigid a schedule as usual, so this was the perfect time to see how my endurance would be. I drink SizeOn intra workout, and the gym was empty enough that I could blast death metal, always a good sign.

Tuesday is leg day. I train fairly high volume, so here were my sets:

Barbell Squat
55 x 10
145 x 5
195 x 5
235 x 5
255 x 6
215 x 6
215 x 5
295 x 5

Barbell Pause Squat (10 sec pause)
145 x 3
145 x 2
145 x 1

After these I was feeling pretty gassed but I pressed onward into accessory work.

Superset 1: Leg Curls (Single Leg Press)
135 x 10 (135 x 10)
135 x 10 (135 x 10)
135 x 10 (135 x 10)
135 x 10 (135 x 10)

Superset 2: Leg Extensions (Dumbbell Shrugs)
140 x 10 (75 x 10)
140 x 10 (75 x 10)
140 x 10 (75 x 10)
140 x 10 (75 x 10)

I made a note that I was getting absolutely worn out here, but I was able to finish everything up with some heavy ab work (planks and cable crunches). Monday I was NOT able to, so I consider this an improvement.

Another big thing I noticed was focus - historically I respond very well to DMAE, and “focus” pre-workouts are a double edged sword for me because sometimes I’ll get engrossed in a conversation or reading something between sets and whoops ten minutes have gone by or I was supposed to leave for the gym twenty minutes ago! That’s how I know they work, and PreCre nails the focus based on my very scientific testing.

As this log continues I’ll try A/Bing PreCre with other Pre-Workouts to see how it compares. So far, so good!


#2

Awesome, looking forward to your journey


#3

Alright, Bench Day is the real test for endurance as I train highest volume on Thursdays. On upper body days I like pumps so I stacked it with two scoops of PES High Volume.

I’m happy to report that energy, focus, and endurance remained consistent throughout the following workout. I noticed a lot of the same focus stuff - “wow, I can get really zoned into whatever i’m doing on my breaks” - but was very impressed with how long the energy and focus lasted. This was about a 90 minute workout and I still felt pretty good after all was said and done.

Duffalo Bar Bench Press:
55 x 10
105 x 5
145 x 6
155 x 6
155 x 6
165 x 5
145 x 5
145 x 5
[for more info on the Duffalo Bar click here: https://store.kabukistrength.net/products/duffalo-performance-squat-bar
i’m fortunate enough to live just a short drive from Kabuki Strength and when my local LA Fitness closed, my choice of gym was a no-brainer]

Dumbbell Floor Presses:
40 x 10 x 4

Superset 1: Lat Pulldowns (Shoulder Health)
120 x 10 (15 x 10 x 2)
120 x 10 (15 x 10 x 2)
120 x 10 (15 x 10 x 2)
120 x 10 (15 x 10 x 2)
[“Shoulder health” is its own superset of lateral db raises and front or rear db raises. I usually do four sets of lateral raises and then alternate front and rear, two sets each.]

Superset 2: Dumbbell Flyes (Seated Cable Rows)
40 x 10 (125 x 10)
40 x 10 (125 x 10)
40 x 10 (125 x 10)
40 x 10 (125 x 10)

Superset 3: Zottman Curls (Tricep Extensions)
20 x 10 (30 x 10)
20 x 10 (30 x 10)
20 x 10 (30 x 10)
25 x 8 (35 x 8)
[done with Thompson Fatbells rather than dumbbells]

I still had energy for some light ab work after this.

Really impressed with the focus on this stuff. Tonight I’ll be running it by itself again on deadlift night - my legs are still sore from Tuesday so we’ll see how it does!!


#4

Off to a nice start. Have to look at this duffalo bat. I feel soo old with all these fancy names of bars, exercises etc :unamused:


#5

hahaha, the curve of the bar is really helpful getting full ROM on a bench. I can usually do 30-40lbs more with a straight bar as a result. It’s a humbling experience for sure.

Forgot to log Deadlift Day on Friday! Endurance was not great but I usually get pretty well beaten by deadlift day, both because it’s Friday and because deadlifts are TOUGH! Might switch my schedule up this week a bit to see if PreCre helps with endurance earlier in the week rather than waiting until I’m totally gassed on Friday to assess.

Anyway, here’s Deadlifts from Friday 2/9:

Barbell Deadlift - I believe this was with a 55lb bar. The ends look like the fatter ends on the 55lb bars and it felt slightly heavier than normal but I didn’t bother to weigh or ask. Ha!

145 x 10
195 x 5
235 x 5
285 x 5
285 x 5
285 x 3
[long pause]
325 x 1

Superset: Leg Press (Back Extension)
355 x 10 (25 x 10)
355 x 8 (25 x 10) [missed this one!]
355 x 10 (25 x 10)
355 x 10 (25 x 10)

Superset 2: Leg Curl (Kettlebell Shrug)
120 x 10 (75 x 10)
120 x 10 (75 x 10)
120 x 5 (75 x 8)

was totally out of energy at this point. Hit light ab work and went home to crash.

Shoulders again today!! Let’s see how it does not stacked with a pump product this time!


#6

Alright, I lied. Friend came into town unexpectedly last night and we went out, so I’m skipping shoulders this week. Normally I’d just move my days over, train T W F S instead of M T TH FR but I’ve got plans tomorrow and Saturday, so i’m just skipping a day. Legs tonight!! I’m eating a bunch today to fuel up!! Let’s DO this!


#7

Legs on Tuesday were not great. VERY stressful day at work plus the aftermath of going out the night before. I am certainly not a heavy drinker but logging like this really helps you keep tabs on how easy it is to throw yourself out of whack.

I was very impressed at how, on a day that should have been a complete wash, I was still able to stay focused and keep up with most of my workout. The focus blend on this stuff really is NO JOKE and it’s probably going to replace Prolific and Nitramine as my favorite focus pre-workout.

Anyway!

Barbell Squats
55 x 10
145 x 5
195 x 5
235 x 5
265 x 4
255 x 3
235 x 5
235 x 5

[to get a feel for my routine, my ideal should have been working up to 265 x 5 for 1, then pyramiding down 10% for 3 sets of 5 twice]

No Pause Squats because I felt like a small shitty baby on Tuesday night

Superset 1: Leg Curls (Single Leg Press)
135 x 12 (135 x 12)
135 x 12 (135 x 12)
135 x 12 (135 x 12)
135 x 12 (135 x 12)

Superset 2: Leg Extensions (Dumbbell Shrugs)
140 x 12 (75 x 12)
140 x 12 (75 x 12)
140 x 12 (75 x 12)
140 x 12 (75 x 12)

Light ab work and HOME. My diet has been dialed back in for the most part for the past two days though sleep hasn’t been the best, but i’m gonna report for REAL on how PreCre handles the bench without an additional stack this evening.


#8

Alright we were BACK ON TRACK for Bench. I spent damn near two hours in the gym last night and only started feeling tired for the last little bit. I have no idea how ME pulled this off in a caffeine-only formula.

Bench (Duffalo Bar again)
55 x 10
105 x 5
145 x 5
165 x 5
170 x 5
170 x 3
165 x 5
155 x 5

Dumbbell Floor Press
40 x 12 x 4

Superset 1: Seated Rows (DB Flyes)
120 x 12 (20 per side x 12)
120 x 12 (20 per side x 12)
120 x 12 (20 per side x 12)
120 x 12 (20 per side x 12)

Superset 2: Lat Pulldowns (Shoulder Health)
120 x 12 (15 x 24)
120 x 12 (15 x 24)
120 x 12 (15 x 24)
120 x 12 (15 x 20) (missed this one!)

Superset 3: Preacher Curls (Tricep Pushdowns)
60 x 12 (100 x 12)
60 x 12 (100 x 12)
60 x 12 (100 x 12)
60 x 12 (100 x 12)

Abs and done! LONG night and I am feeling it today!! Even with no stacked/added pump product, endurance and strength were consistently good for the whole workout.


#9

@AfroPope can you clarify "caffeine only?

Do you mean sans DMAA/DMHA type stuff?

Glad you seem to be liking this…


#10

I think he means without other stimulants, ie synepherine.


#11

Both! The focus lasts very very long even without something like Teacrine or DMAA in a way that I don’t get with other caffeine-only preworkouts. I really dig this stuff.

Taking the long weekend to just work on stretching and mobility which I’ve been neglecting. Going in for group training at the gym tomorrow so we will see how the bench feels when I’ve got a bunch of big dudes yelling at me to put more weight on it.


#12

ALRIGHT sorry for the delays in updates, I have had a busy couple of days!! Went and did group training on Monday which turned into a high-volume bench day. PreCre performed admirably, markedly less fatigue by the end of my set than last time I did one of these, though that may be in part because I had some good coaching going and my form was WAY more dialed in. Bench has always been my worst lift, even before I got sick, so getting that fixed up has been HUGE.

Bench:
55 x 10
105 x 10
145 x 6
165 x 4
175 x 4
175 x 4
175 x 4
175 x 4
155 x 4
155 x 4
155 x 4

Dumbbell Floor Presses:
40 x 15 x 4
Superset 1: Lat Pulldowns (Shoulder Health)
120 x 15 (15 x 15 x 2)
120 x 15 (15 x 15 x 2)
120 x 15 (15 x 15 x 2)
120 x 15 (15 x 15 x 2)

Superset 2: Dumbbell Flyes (Seated Cable Rows)
40 x 15 (125 x 15)
40 x 15 (125 x 15)
40 x 15 (125 x 15)
40 x 15 (125 x 15)

Superset 3: Zottman Curls (Tricep Extensions)
20 x 15 (30 x 15)
20 x 15 (30 x 15)
20 x 15 (30 x 15)

Abs and done! Yesterday was quick legs before the snow rolled in:

Squatz
45 x 10
135 x 5
185 x 5
225 x 3
275 x 4
275 x 3
245 x 4
245 x 4
225 x 3

and then the snow hit so I bounced before I got caught in the flurries!!

I may check back in this week, weather permitting, but next week I’m going to try this in an unconventional setting and see how this performs if I take some before playing a show!


#13

What kind if squats you doing?

I personally think a handful companies put alot of effort into caffeine and it’s analogs and sometimes forget adding the right ingredients to give the synergistic effect.

Keep killing it my man


#14

Just barbell back squats, I forget if I technically do “high bar” or “low bar.” Still a little bit of ice on the roads tonight so I may not make it, but I’m definitely in for “using precre in unorthodox situations” next week. :slight_smile:


#15

Well, our show on Monday night was a bit of a shitshow but I was energized the whole night and didn’t get quite as sore/stiff during solos. This is a deload week for me so no pre-workout, I will wrap up with my final thoughts when I am less exhausted! Thanks again to ME for letting me try this stuff, I’ll be picking up another bottle for sure.