New supplement thread

Some of the most popular gaming drinks are drinks such as Bawls, Jolt, Mtn Dew, and Red Bull’s

Most gamers are drinking these through out the night. So I’m sorry but a supplement with 300 mg of caffeine or more is a horrible idea geared towards gamers.
If they want to go that route they should make it 2 scoops is equal to a serving or something similar,

Most popular =/= most effective. Not by a long shot. Again, to each his own. I don’t know why you’re making it sound like your preferred approach is irrefutably the optimal one. There are actual studies showing that 200mg may not be sufficient to get cognitive benefits from caffeine, so that alone is one pretty decent justification to use >200mg caffeine for cognitive benefits. Just because YOU don’t prefer it that way doesn’t mean it’s a “horrible idea.”

Also, if we’re talking “drinking throughout the night,” I don’t think that’s how any of these gaming/nootropic supplements are intended to be taken, frankly. Or at least it’s not how they SHOULD be taken for maximal benefits. At least not if the research/studies on literally all of the ingredients are any indication. This includes the nooLVL ingredient with the study specifically on gamers; they took the supplement pre-gaming, not intra-gaming. Just like a PWO shouldn’t be sipped on throughout the workout, a gaming supplement shouldn’t be sipped on throughout the gaming session for optimal benefits.

But, again, to each his own, and YMMV. I just don’t think it’s fair, or accurate, so suggest that your preferred option is the only one, or that >250mg is a “horrible idea” for gamers…

I mean, i disagree strongly. Gamers generally tend to be stim fiends-- the stereotype of chasing 50mg of adderall with a jumbo Monster isn’t terribly inaccurate.

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Especially for competitive gamers; you’re going to want to ensure that you’re optimizing your performance during your event/competition. This would be achieved by taking a bolus dose of nootropics, not by sipping on them over hours. Maybe you take a second bolus dose after a few to several hours if the event is that long, but sipping over several hours is not the optimal dosing scheme for nootropics IMO, just as it’s not the optimal dosing scheme for PWOs.

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Random question, but has anyone been having trouble receiving samples that are offered through priceplow? I still have yet to receive any of them…still waiting on the Orange Dream Nutrabio sample and Innovapharm. :unamused:

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Realtalk i won like 3-4 PP giveaways back in the day and never got any of them. It was through the companies so i don’t blame PP itself but boy did it leave a sour taste in my mouth

yeah I am awaiting Nutrabio ones, innovapharm, and the axe n sledge meal replacement (but that was a seperate forum giveaway). Oh well…I know it sucks and all, but its tough to complain about free lol. But i get it!

Oh I agree! No complaints about free, just see a lot of people posting their samples so I’m just wondering if I may be doing something wrong lmao

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Same here

That’s like getting cayenne pepper in your oatmeal… :rage:

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Oh god…that sounds horrible

Ditto, guess they’re just collecting our info to spam

Personally I think lower caffeine is better for gaming supplements. You don’t want anything to high, or it can cause you to play too aggressively, or throw off your aim.

Of course I am looking at rainbow 6 siege, which is pretty selective towards cautious play.

Either way I think 50-200 mg is around what you want.

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Again, this is all entirely subjective, and highly subject to individual tolerance, among many other variables. There’s limited (none?) studies specifically on video gaming and caffeine, but, as I referenced already, various aspects of cognitive performance and other related parameters that may help with gaming performance may not reliably be improved without moderate to higher doses of caffeine in habitual caffeine consumers. There is no definitive answer here, so more options for the consumer is a GOOD thing.

Elsewhere, while not gaming, but since you brought up shooter games, let’s look at actual (or simulated) military use:

200mg caffeine given to prior to simulated sentry duty was able to reduce errors in discriminating between friend and foe, and abolished the reduction in speed of target detection with time during the sessions without negatively impacting marksmanship.

(Edit: link to said study is broken, was from an old post of mine years ago, I’ll try to link up as proper link that works)

If it doesn’t throw off actual aim with an actual weapon, and reduces friend/foe discrimination, perhaps the same may apply to gaming? Maybe, maybe not. Interesting either way.

There are several studies using 200-300mg for soldiers noting no decrease in accuracy, paired with improved reaction time, target acquisition, etc. I don’t think it’s fair to say that >200mg will inherently throw off your aim. How will this translate from a real weapon to a controller controlling a video game weapon? I don’t know, but it’s worth noting IMO.

But again, YMMV. There’s so much individual variables and variance in caffeine tolerance, that someone may not feel much of anything with 300mg, while someone else may get jittery with 150mg…

Yeah never got my Nutrabio, but did receive my Innova ones

It might be other factors, maybe taking bad shots when I should have stayed hidden for example, I mainly find that I do better with a lower amount of caffeine.

I mainly mean high doses not over 200 specifically, high dose could be 500 mg to some people, 150 to others.

Again, that’s your n=1 subjective experience. I’m not saying it’s not valid for you, or for lots of people, only that it’s not the definitive/best/only answer/dose/range/etc. as burntreality seems to be suggesting by claiming how stupid/bad >250mg is for gaming period. There are multiple arguments, both subjective (anecdotes) and academic (various studies) to be made to justify the potential utility of 200-300mg caffeine in this context.

Looking at the military studies, if actual soldiers noted improved target detection and improved friend/foe discrimination without decreased marksmanship, perhaps the same will apply to FPS gaming? Perhaps not. But I wouldn’t say that >200mg caffeine would inherently result in bad decision making in “stressful” situations (I’d imagine simulated military duty can be pretty stressful, not that gaming can’t be too; I know gaming has got my heartrate going before haha). For some people? Yeah. Some people probably feel 150mg is too much, while some people can nap after >300mg.

Received the InnovaPharm ones. @NutraBio ones typically take some time from my past experiences.

R6 Vegas was the only game I was ever technically considered a semi-pro in at one point in high school lol. Too many stimulants would lower my patience for rounds on that game, but my reaction time would be up. Wonder if the trade off would be worth it

Playing Fight Night Champion on PS3 while drinking pwo, great experience haha. Gotta see yourself throwing more and more counterpunches, and if you play with Holyfield it will be a fireworks display (Online playing).